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Post by jdearauj on Apr 18, 2018 10:59:17 GMT
Hi All,
I have taken my bike toSteve Jordan Motorcycles. I waswell looked after and the bike was in good hands during the process. Steve, Richard, Sarah and Charlotte all provided allot of information. They advised to ride the bike and come back if any further changes were required or I wanted a different setup for different riding. So this is where I’d like your advice or 5 cents from the comments below. I will post some pictures up of the results when I get a chance and have access to a PC which can dothe job.
So I have taken a few things away from the Dyno process completed and I’m not sure they are all good:
1. The bike feels more alive and not so jerky on the throttle. 2. The fuellingon my bike was very rich and was fixed. 3. All the usual settings like fan, AIS etc etc have been changed. 4. The bike feels like it is more work now in-between gears when decelerating. So ifI accelerate in a gear and then release the throttle to slow down, the bike feels like it wants to throw me over the bars. It lunges forward as if the front brake is being applied. It just does not feel smooth. This is not great, but maybe it is somethingI need to get use to the more I ride? 5. The BHP results leavesmy bike just under 140BHP and this they said was down to the SPEngineering stumpy exhaust / baffle which I have installed. They said with a longer and better exhaust I could easily see 15 – 20 BHP more. I did not realise an exhaust could really cause that much of a power loss. I understand maybe 5 – 10 BHP, but not 15 – 20 BHP and I did not think my exhaust was that small.
Any thoughts or views would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks J
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 11:25:17 GMT
Hi All,
I have taken my bike toSteve Jordan Motorcycles. I waswell looked after and the bike was in good hands during the process. Steve, Richard, Sarah and Charlotte all provided allot of information. They advised to ride the bike and come back if any further changes were required or I wanted a different setup for different riding. So this is where I’d like your advice or 5 cents from the comments below. I will post some pictures up of the results when I get a chance and have access to a PC which can dothe job.
So I have taken a few things away from the Dyno process completed and I’m they are all good:
1. The bike feels more alive and not so jerky on the throttle. 2. The fuellingon my bike was very rich and was fixed. 3. All the usual settings like fan, AIS etc etc have been changed. 4. The bike feels like it is more work now in-between gears when decelerating. So ifI accelerate in a gear and then release the throttle to slow down, the bike feels like it wants to throw me over the bars. It lunges forward as if the front brake is being applied. It just does not feel smooth. This is not great, but maybe it is somethingI need to get use to the more I ride? 5. The BHP results leavesmy bike just under 140BHP and this they said was down to the SPEngineering stumpy exhaust / baffle which I have installed. They said with a longer and better exhaust I could easily see 15 – 20 BHP more. I did not realise an exhaust could really cause that much of a power loss. I understand maybe 5 – 10 BHP, but not 15 – 20 BHP and I did not think my exhaust was that small.
Any thoughts or views would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks J Hmm, to go through your list. No 1 sounds about right, it should feel more "lively". No2, I am guessing you had your baffle fitted, as pretty much every MT10 produced, runs weak, adding the decat pipe makes this worse. No3, I cannot comment, as I don't know what you personally have had changed, not everyone requires the same settings. No4 I think is maybe a bit subjective, is it worse than before ? Don't forget, this engine produces real engine braking, when you shut the throttle. No 5, in my experience, the baffle can easily rob you of 5 to 7 bhp and a different exhaust can provide another 10 to 15 'ish or thereabouts, but from what I have seen, the SP Engineering exhausts generally produces decent BHP figures. One point I must add, those bhp comments are not cumulative, you don't add the baffle out, to the better exhaust and get a 22 BHP increase. Most of all, my comments are made without seeing dyno sheets and without knowing the bike, or the dyno. Did you do any comparisons with the baffle out ? For the record, most MT's are between 152 to about 155 BHP after a dyno session, there are some which have produced higher than that, but a "ball park" figure seems to be 152 to 155 'ish. When you can, post up your dyno sheets, they may provide more clues, one last point, how many miles has your MT done and this DOES matter.
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Post by jdearauj on Apr 18, 2018 12:35:39 GMT
Hmm, to go through your list. No 1 sounds about right, it should feel more "lively". No2, I am guessing you had your baffle fitted, as pretty much every MT10 produced, runs weak, adding the decat pipe makes this worse. No3, I cannot comment, as I don't know what you personally have had changed, not everyone requires the same settings. No4 I think is maybe a bit subjective, is it worse than before ? Don't forget, this engine produces real engine braking, when you shut the throttle. No 5, in my experience, the baffle can easily rob you of 5 to 7 bhp and a different exhaust can provide another 10 to 15 'ish or thereabouts, but from what I have seen, the SP Engineering exhausts generally produces decent BHP figures. One point I must add, those bhp comments are not cumulative, you don't add the baffle out, to the better exhaust and get a 22 BHP increase. Most of all, my comments are made without seeing dyno sheets and without knowing the bike, or the dyno. Did you do any comparisons with the baffle out ? For the record, most MT's are between 152 to about 155 BHP after a dyno session, there are some which have produced higher than that, but a "ball park" figure seems to be 152 to 155 'ish. When you can, post up your dyno sheets, they may provide more clues, one last point, how many miles has your MT done and this DOES matter. @themechanic – Thanks for your prompt response. No1: Great news / No2: Yes I have a baffle fitted to my SP Engineering exhaust and a scorpion decat pipe / No3: I did not ask for anything specifically personal. I just mentioned how I ride the bike, when it is mostly used and the improvements I wanted. I did want the AIS pop/bangs off and I did want the fans to come on sooner. / No4: Yes it is allot worse than before and maybe I just need to get ride it more to confirm. / No5: Yes the tests were done with the baffle in and out on numerous runs. Your comment about most MT’s being between 152 to 155 is worrying, as mine was under 140 after the dyno process was completed. I’ll hopefully post the images tonight of the dyno, I’m unable to do it on my phone. My bike has done just over 2,000 miles.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 15:14:10 GMT
Hmm, to go through your list. No 1 sounds about right, it should feel more "lively". No2, I am guessing you had your baffle fitted, as pretty much every MT10 produced, runs weak, adding the decat pipe makes this worse. No3, I cannot comment, as I don't know what you personally have had changed, not everyone requires the same settings. No4 I think is maybe a bit subjective, is it worse than before ? Don't forget, this engine produces real engine braking, when you shut the throttle. No 5, in my experience, the baffle can easily rob you of 5 to 7 bhp and a different exhaust can provide another 10 to 15 'ish or thereabouts, but from what I have seen, the SP Engineering exhausts generally produces decent BHP figures. One point I must add, those bhp comments are not cumulative, you don't add the baffle out, to the better exhaust and get a 22 BHP increase. Most of all, my comments are made without seeing dyno sheets and without knowing the bike, or the dyno. Did you do any comparisons with the baffle out ? For the record, most MT's are between 152 to about 155 BHP after a dyno session, there are some which have produced higher than that, but a "ball park" figure seems to be 152 to 155 'ish. When you can, post up your dyno sheets, they may provide more clues, one last point, how many miles has your MT done and this DOES matter. @themechanic – Thanks for your prompt response. No1: Great news / No2: Yes I have a baffle fitted to my SP Engineering exhaust and a scorpion decat pipe / No3: I did not ask for anything specifically personal. I just mentioned how I ride the bike, when it is mostly used and the improvements I wanted. I did want the AIS pop/bangs off and I did want the fans to come on sooner. / No4: Yes it is allot worse than before and maybe I just need to get ride it more to confirm. / No5: Yes the tests were done with the baffle in and out on numerous runs. Your comment about most MT’s being between 152 to 155 is worrying, as mine was under 140 after the dyno process was completed. I’ll hopefully post the images tonight of the dyno, I’m unable to do it on my phone. My bike has done just over 2,000 miles. No worries, only too glad to assist where I can. Did you get given the baffle out BHP figure ? In my experience dynos do vary, but not by that much (in this case a possile 12 BHP !). From your comments I would guess your final figure is about 138/139 'ish ? One thing I did find is my bike really "loosened up" after about 2500 miles, mine was remapped at about 4200, I sacrificed a bit of top end power, for mid range oomph and mine came out at 153 BBHP. But I know of people who have had them mapped from virtually day one and the bike has checked out in the range I spoke of, more miles on it may make 4 or 5 BHP difference, but that isn't certain. I cannot remember from your first post, how long did it take the dyno man to set your bike up ? This may provide a clue. I will have a look when you have posted your dyno sheets, I will then comment accordingly.
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Post by jdearauj on Apr 19, 2018 20:44:20 GMT
No worries, only too glad to assist where I can. Did you get given the baffle out BHP figure ? In my experience dynos do vary, but not by that much (in this case a possile 12 BHP !). From your comments I would guess your final figure is about 138/139 'ish ? One thing I did find is my bike really "loosened up" after about 2500 miles, mine was remapped at about 4200, I sacrificed a bit of top end power, for mid range oomph and mine came out at 153 BBHP. But I know of people who have had them mapped from virtually day one and the bike has checked out in the range I spoke of, more miles on it may make 4 or 5 BHP difference, but that isn't certain. I cannot remember from your first post, how long did it take the dyno man to set your bike up ? This may provide a clue. I will have a look when you have posted your dyno sheets, I will then comment accordingly. So the dyno took about 4 hours in total to complete. I can't remember about the baffle out BHP figure. I'll ask Richard when i speak to them again. I'll post some pictures below of the readings.
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Post by jdearauj on Apr 19, 2018 20:45:21 GMT
Readings part 1...
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Post by jdearauj on Apr 19, 2018 20:45:58 GMT
Readings part 2... Attachments:
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Post by jdearauj on Apr 19, 2018 20:46:24 GMT
Readings part 3... Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 2:06:39 GMT
Thanks for posting your graphs, I will compare with mine over the week-end and let you know the differences, for assistance mine has a Leo Vince decat pipe and an Arrow indy can with no baffle in it, when I put the baffle in at the dyno, that took 7 bhp away at the top end and 1 or 2 in other rev areas.
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Post by tancakar on Apr 20, 2018 11:11:51 GMT
Hmm, to go through your list. No 1 sounds about right, it should feel more "lively". No2, I am guessing you had your baffle fitted, as pretty much every MT10 produced, runs weak, adding the decat pipe makes this worse. No3, I cannot comment, as I don't know what you personally have had changed, not everyone requires the same settings. No4 I think is maybe a bit subjective, is it worse than before ? Don't forget, this engine produces real engine braking, when you shut the throttle. No 5, in my experience, the baffle can easily rob you of 5 to 7 bhp and a different exhaust can provide another 10 to 15 'ish or thereabouts, but from what I have seen, the SP Engineering exhausts generally produces decent BHP figures. One point I must add, those bhp comments are not cumulative, you don't add the baffle out, to the better exhaust and get a 22 BHP increase. Most of all, my comments are made without seeing dyno sheets and without knowing the bike, or the dyno. Did you do any comparisons with the baffle out ? For the record, most MT's are between 152 to about 155 BHP after a dyno session, there are some which have produced higher than that, but a "ball park" figure seems to be 152 to 155 'ish. When you can, post up your dyno sheets, they may provide more clues, one last point, how many miles has your MT done and this DOES matter. To get 152 RWhp you need a full system, performance air filter, possibly no O2 sensors and a very good chain and tire. MT10 comes around 140 ish and after a doggy link pipe and short exhaust it wont push out more then 145 hp if you are lucky. Unless you do serious modify on ECU and getting more air in the system and make the bike breath better , may be titanium headers, titanium link pipe, and a very good exhaust you might be reaching +150RWhp. People think putting a £150 stainless steel link pipe and a £150 ebay baffle they will get +150 HP no guys that don't work that way. unless you get a full flowing sytem with performance air filter and spend over £1500 you wont get 10HP more. My SP seen 158 RWhp but the money i spend on it to get there is over £2000. I will still go and do a few more power runs as i think £158 a little too generous.
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Post by owle on Apr 20, 2018 11:20:49 GMT
To get 152 RWhp you need a full system, performance air filter, possibly no O2 sensors and a very good chain and tire. MT10 comes around 140 ish and after a doggy link pipe and short exhaust it wont push out more then 145 hp if you are lucky. Unless you do serious modify on ECU and getting more air in the system and make the bike breath better , may be titanium headers, titanium link pipe, and a very good exhaust you might be reaching +150RWhp. People think putting a £150 stainless steel link pipe and a £150 ebay baffle they will get +150 HP no guys that don't work that way. unless you get a full flowing sytem with performance air filter and spend over £1500 you wont get 10HP more. fz10.org/thread/1770/151hp-stock-exhaust-flash-available
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Post by tancakar on Apr 20, 2018 11:34:45 GMT
you can make it create 160 as well, when dyno is new or dyno is reading higher, there are tricks you can do with a dyno. The Ecu flash standard with O2 sensors won't pass 145hp no way. that 151hp can be whether or dyno fault. i see many many dynos runs especially standard MT10 they are all 138to 143 hp depending on the weather, fuel and the bike condition.
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Post by jdearauj on Apr 20, 2018 12:50:50 GMT
I understand the exhaust now does play a huge role in the performance and other small variances. So what I'm understanding is it seems that I have to take my bike to a different dyno centre where somebody knows more about the MT10 and will work their magic to get the extra out of my bike?
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Post by owle on Apr 20, 2018 14:48:15 GMT
you can make it create 160 as well, when dyno is new or dyno is reading higher, there are tricks you can do with a dyno. The Ecu flash standard with O2 sensors won't pass 145hp no way. that 151hp can be whether or dyno fault. i see many many dynos runs especially standard MT10 they are all 138to 143 hp depending on the weather, fuel and the bike condition. in the post i linked to it does not mention "The Ecu flash standard with O2 sensors" I think you have not a clue of which you speak. Others can make their own minds up.
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Post by dangermouse on Apr 20, 2018 17:23:17 GMT
There seems to be a significant increase in power on the part throttle graphs, so although your bike isn;t making huge amounts of power, the dyno shop found some improvements nonetheless.
As for the part throttle jerkiness - what mode do you ride in? I can't stand the more aggressive modes I just run in "STD" - even on the track (dunno what mode number that would be on a 2017 bike)
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